Dr. Adil Baguirov
12) The shirvanshah’s have been only nominally beneath the Seljuq’s and their regents, the Azerbaijani Atabeks, and did not shell out them or mention in the prayers or cash.
Consequently, Wikipedia’s entry should really: one) not have any reference to Qom Except substantial feedback are delivered including existence of Qom village in North Azerbaijan, the quotation alone getting Bogus from the opinion of authoritative Students and absent from all before manuscripts, and Iran owning considerable Turkic population from prior to Nizami.
7) Of course, the listing may be continued with far more significant “issuesâ€, revealing Mr. Doostzadeh’s intentions and bias. Irrespective of at first claiming that I am Improper in stating that there's a distinction between contemporary Persian and twelfth century Persian Dari literary language – and promptly contradicting that flawed assertion by declaring that: “Iranians can read … with *almost* no trouble†[emphasis mine] – he then goes on and makes a number of vital issues in translating the verses, like mistaking Nizami’s admission about looking at/exploring at-Tabari and al-Bukhari for Tabari and Bukhari dialects of Persian langauge.
And so the royal Seljuqids even though at first Turkic, blended With all the locals and commenced to upholad their custom. Another query will come up is why did not western Oghuz Turkic have any significant literature with the begining of Islam, all of the way all the way down to the beginning of the Ottoman empires? The explanation is you need a fancy society and civilization to make masterpieces and it does not appear overnight. The complexity of the tales of Shahnama/Panj-Ganj relative to Dede Korkut is obvious and reveals two distinct civilizations and tradition. The fact is the Oghuz-Turkic tradition wasn't established but fully round the time of Seljuqids and it took various hundreds of years following to supply Turkish literture. Very like the Scythians of your old times who were nomadic but in all over 2000 started settlements and became the ancestors of really complicated and cultured Iranian persons: Soghdians and Chorasmians.
Mr. Baguirov who doesn't know Persian and so he can't examine Nizami. As an example he didn't know the phrase Doogh has a transparent Iranic root. He's in no posture to debate Nizami Ganjavi's ethnicity and the employs of verses that are madeup through the republic of Azerbaijan [46] is indeed a proof of the fact that many of the components from that republic is extremly ethno-centeric. Without a doubt a scholar within the republic of Azerbainan of 1980 solid the following verse: Pedar bar pedar mar-maraa tork bood - beh farzaanegi har yeki gorg bood!! The trouble with this scholar is that the word Tork and Gorg are hardly ever rhymed in almost any Persian poetry and without a doubt violate The principles of Persian poetry.
This is exactly why these kinds of giants of Oriental research as prof. E.Bertels dismissed these allegations about Qom -- which was supported by none apart from An additional notable scholar and very popular Armenian poetess M.Shaginyan in her 1950s book -- all of which I dilligently reproduced.
And lots of lots of a lot more arugments. That is definitely why I moved your comments into the communicate page about ethnicity. And btw Iranians have so many exceptional Persian poets that Nizami Ganjavi is only one of these. To this point us it is actually by no means a lifestyle and Loss of life challenge and there is no need to falsify his history. He was Kurdish mother and I might say probably a Kurdish father (or perhaps his father was from Qom). The rationale would be that the name 'elevate' Kurd implies lady chieftan of Kurdish tribe for his mother and frequently Kurds marry within just on their own. Specifically cheiftans who are of increased course. Needless to say there is exceptions on the rule, but that's the circumstance overwhelmingly. The fact is that even the translations of Nizami Ganjavi to Azarbaijani Turkish arrived later than all kinds of other modern day languages (including English, Russian, French..) and What this means is Nizami did not have any profound impact on the Oghuz Turkish tradition Though some Turkish and Indian poets examine his operate in Persian and ended up affected by it.
Whom Nizami focused his poems is EXTREMELY important For lots of clear rather than-so-clear factors, particularly in The sunshine of Mr. Doostzadeh, like all Persian chauvinists, looking to current the fact that Nizami occasionally dependent his male hero on the Sassanian king being an “argument†for Nizami’s Persian ethnicity.
If Afagh was the identify of Nizami's wife, then without a doubt the poet would've resevations making use of this kind of conditions and indeed some the above verses could well be lewd. One example is When your wifes name is YY, Then you definitely not phone somebody read this post here else the king of kings of YY. That is definitely why Explained Nafisi's intrepretation is accurate. All around the Panj-Ganj the word Afagh continues to be used in its accurate that means horizon (about forty instances).
) of some paperwork in the beginning of the 20th century. Right up until the 19th century, the at any time-dwindling Alban ethnos was however present, and the various Alban principalities have been continuously re-set up in Arran, notably the Khachen principality of prince Hasan in twelfth century and one of his sons, Shahinshah (that title by then was not similar to fact) Hasan Jalal during the twelve-thirteenth hundreds of years. This prince/shahinshah Hasan Jalal Make the Gandzasar Church within the Gandzasar Monastery in 1216-1238, which was the seat in the Alban Church Catholicos (Pope). There are several famed Alban Christian historians of that era, contemporaries of Nizami. As a result, the Alban ethnos, while severely degraded, was nevertheless very much alive and working, and any statements to the contrary are Phony.
Also, over again, Firdowsi and Nizami were being diverse in numerous ways – not simply did they Are living in numerous occasions (Virtually two generations apart), but in several locations, adhering to to some degree unique literary universities/traditions and whilst a single wrote a grand royal epic, the other a more philosophical poetry that was much less about nationalism and royal grandeur and more details on really like and inner splendor. Nizami, as other Azerbaijani Turkic poets such as Fuzuli and Nasimi, of course study, researched, liked, applauded Ferdowsi – as well as other Perso-Tajik colleagues – but to say that Nizami or other fantastic poets simply tried to mimic Ferdowsi even by giving precisely the same intending to the words, is inappropriate.
Furthermore, Individuals are usually not total terms – there have been additional attention-grabbing verses previous, here are some additional strains:
نخستين نويسنده‌ي پان‌تركيست مي‌نويسد: «يكي ازاسناد مهمي كه ازØضور اقوام ترك زبان درآذربايجان پيش از اسلام Øكايت دارد "اخبار عبدين شريه" other [در متن چنين است] است. عبيد در دوره جاهليت در يمن به دنيا آمده Ùˆ يكي ازمعمرين Ùˆ جهانديدگان دوره خلاÙت معاويه بوده است. معاويه اورا به دمشق دعوت كرد Ùˆ از اخبار عرب Ùˆ ملوك آن قوم جويا شد Ùˆ وي به پرسش‌هاي معاويه پاسخ داد. به دستور معاويه اخبار او تدوين گرديد […] درجريان Ú¯Ùتگوي عبيد با معاويه دوبار ازآذربايجان سخن به ميان آمده است.
And so you're able to Resources not deliver ethnocenterism into Wikipedia short article, specially given that You aren't an experienced scholar like Prof. Bashiri, Meysami, Wilson, Kaputsin, Riyahi Khoi,.. and specially lots of Students that were not less than Stalinistic strain and they are once the breakup of USSR. I could possibly be nationalistic and make up things and (far more stronger stuff compared to the silly arguments debunked earlier mentioned) but I is not going to. Simply because you will discover virtually many verses which can be taken to praise Iranians in A method or A further. So allows be far more neutral below similar to the Encyclopedia Britannica. --Ali doostzadeh ten:36, 25 May perhaps 2006 (UTC) Some Falsification by Mr. Adil Baguirov together with some responses